GHA 8th Grade Talmud

Jacob Singer, Julia Kesler, and Gabriel Popowski.

2008-05-06T12:08:00.001-07:00

The number one cause for Free Hatred would definitely have to be jealousy.

Rabbi Taimaishu from the first Generation at Bavel says that there are many causes for free hatred, but the worse is jealousy. Rabbi Taimaishu also says that jealousy can lead to wrong and deceptive acts or cruelty.

Rabbi Tushi from the second generation at Bavel says that there are definitely more cause for free hatred and Jealously is not the number one cause for free hatred.

Rabbi Treeshe from the third generation at Bavel says that there are no definite causes for free hatred, but Jealousy is very bad.

JAcob Singer, Julia Kesler, Gabriel Popowski

2008-05-01T10:40:00.000-07:00

The number one cause for Free Hatred would definitely have to be jealousy.

Rabbi Taimaishu says that there are many causes for free hatred, but the worse is jealousy. Rabbi Taimaishu also says that jealousy can lead to wrong and deceptive acts or cruelty.

carmelle, lauren, and LEAH!

2008-05-01T10:32:00.001-07:00

jealousy is the number 1 cause for free hatred!

Rabbi Alacamanpandi from the first generation from Bavel says that there are absolutely other causes for free hatred and that jealousy is not the number 1 cause.

Rabbi Cauliflower from the second generation from Bavel says that jealousy spelled backwards is "YSUOLAEJ" which has the secret meaning of hatred.

Rabbi Fennachee from the third generation from Bavel says that free hatred means hating someone of any sect of religion for absolutely positively no ABSOLUTE reason at all!

Julie's comment...CHALLENGED!!! duh...duh...DUUUUUUUH!!!

2008-05-01T10:31:00.002-07:00

Julie says: You must bring people up, not pull them down because of wrondoings.

Rabbi Herman (6th generation atlanta) says: Unless they are not worth picking up.(crazy old bat)
Rabbi Gringer says (7th generation atlanta): You cannot determine whether or not they are worth being picked up. Just because you know they did something wrong does not mean that they have not done something right.(smart generation...)
Rabbi Rewta says(10th generation atlanta): You must try at least twice before you give up. People resist sometimes...(trying to be smart...)

:) :) :) :) :) :@)
By Julie and Sarah Q...and Julie Sarah...and Rabbi Herman and Rabbi Gringer and Rabbi Rewta. They say 'hi'.

Loving Your Fellow Jew

2008-05-01T10:31:00.001-07:00

Shacklah Vetariah: A non Jew once came to the great sage Hillel saying, "I wish to convert on the condition that you teach me the entire Torah 'while I stand on one foot' - 'in a very short time'." Hillel accepted him as a convert and then told him, "What is hateful to you do not do to others, this is the entire Torah, everything else is commentary, go and learn."
Talmud, Shabbat 31a

Memrah: Rabbi Jake Blackbaum of Bavel 2nd generation says we learn from what Hillel says that all the Torah wants us to do is to be nice to other people, and the rest is just ways to achieve this.

Why waste ourselves with hate

2008-05-01T10:30:00.001-07:00

Rav ben max ben michael ben evan, ari allen allen aleen, says and ben seth says that if we hate our fellow Jew bad things will happen.

Shaklah Vetarya: Rav ben Max ben michael ben evan, ari allen ben seth says that even if we have lost an important person in our life and we are upset and full of hate toward the person who caused their death, we should still be nice to them..

Hallie Nadine and Alexa

2008-05-01T10:30:00.000-07:00

Shaklah vtrayah = We are challenging Sarah Queens comment. We don't think that all hatred stems from thinking you are to good for others. Sometimes hatred comes out of nowhere and you simply hate a person because of an opinion instilled in your head by someone else. Maybe you simply hate someone for a religion. Hating someone for a religious reason is not good.
memrah - Rabbi Gamliel Ben Shimon AlexaNadineHallie says that you should try to look for the good in the person instead of free hatred.

ok bye.

Eytan and Avi Goodfriend sugya

2008-05-01T10:29:00.001-07:00

Quote: Avi says… You probably hate Israel if you do not like Jews.

S&T: Israel is the home of Jews so they are connected

M: Rabbi Yehoshuah Ben Levi Avi of Lod in Israel of the first generation says if they are connected, then it makes sense that you don't like the other if you already don't like one.

M Ukimtah: Rav Huna Eytan of Sura in Babylon in the second generation says what if you met just one Jew who you didn't like becuase of his personality but when you visited Israel you fell in love with the country?

S&T: Not all Jews are the same

M Ukimtah: Rabbi Avi Rav Chisda of Sura in Babylonia during the third generation says if they aren't all the same, then how do congregations survive?

Your Comments...

2008-05-01T10:25:00.000-07:00

Ari Allen says… Loving someone solely for religious beliefs is not right!

Leah Topper says…That you cannotcomplete certain Mitzvot if you have hatered!

Julie says… Instead of looking down at an individual for wrongdoing, we should think of ways to pick them up!

Sarah Q. says… Hatred stems from thinking you are too good for others.

Gabriel says that Jews went through too much to hate each other

Jake Rothbaum says… You could hate as long as there is no consequence.

Alexa says… Why waste ourselves with hate.

Hallie Says… We learn from the Pesach Seder the important value of loving others through offering the poor a place to eat.

Carmelle Says… Jealousy is the #1 cause for “Free Hatred”.

Nadine Says… We allwant the same thing, “Peace in our homeland of Israel.

Zane comments on Hillel…"What is hateful to you do not do to others, this is the entire Torah, everything else is commentary, go and learn.“

Max says… In order to prevent Sinat Chinam, we have to believe that all Jews, and for that matter, all human beings are equal.

Yondi says… If you look on the inside of a person, you wont come to hate them for their outside appearance.

Avi says… You probably hate Israel if you do not like Jews.

Tu Bshvat

2008-01-23T11:53:00.000-08:00

Tu Bshvat is coming up. It's about trees. You eat a lot of fruit. It's on the 16th of Shvat.

Yay.

Tu Bishvat

2008-01-18T10:37:00.000-08:00

Tu bishvat is one of the four new years. this one is celebrating trees. So to celebrate this day we eat fruits to honor the trees.

Tu Bishvat

2008-01-18T10:36:00.000-08:00

Tu Bishvat is the beginning of the leagal year for counting tithes. Tu Bishvat is at the same time as the sap in a tree begins to rise up.

TREES!

2008-01-18T10:35:00.000-08:00

There is a mishnah on Tu Bishvat that Beit Shamai said that it should be on the 1st of Shvat. Beit Hillel said that it should be on the 15th . We follow Beit Hillel...Obviously.

Talmud and Trees

2008-01-18T10:32:00.000-08:00

The Talmudic Rabbis established a "birthday" for trees so that Jews could calculate the age of trees and know when they could be harvested because the trees (in order to sacrifice as first-fruit offerings) had to be 4 years old.

TuB'shvat is one of the four new years that are in the Jewish calendar. the other three are:
~Rosh Hashana
~a new year for establishing the reign of kings
~a new year for tithing animals of Jewish farmers to be given to the Temple

source/website: http://www.ttsp.org/community/holidays.php

THE END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tree Trouble.......

2008-01-18T10:26:00.000-08:00

If tu-bshvat falls out on shabbat and you had planned with a bunch of friends to plant a few trees in the middle of no where can you go plant the trees the day before or the day after?

Tree web site

2008-01-14T12:18:00.000-08:00

This is a good website about trees in the talmud and about TU BSHVAT http://www.canfeinesharim.org/community/shevat.php?page=11539

Tu'Beshvat

2008-01-14T12:16:00.000-08:00

http://www.aish.com/tubshvat/tubshvatinterests/Man_Is_a_Tree.asp

Tu B'Shvat is technically the day when trees stop absorbing water from the ground, instead they draw nourishment from their sap. In Jewish law, this means that fruit blossomed before the 15th of Shvat could not be used as money for fruit which blossomed after that date.

tree in talmud eytan

2008-01-14T12:15:00.000-08:00

The Bible expresses a great reverence for fruit trees as symbols of God's bounty and beneficence. Special laws were formulated to protect fruit trees in times of war and ensure that the produce of trees would not be picked until the trees were mature enough and tithes were given from them. In order to calculate the age of trees, both for determining when they could be harvested and when they were to be tithed for the Temple, the Talmudic Rabbis established the 15th day (Tu) of the month of Shvat as the official "birthday" of trees.

(http://www.ttsp.org/community/holidays.php)

Trees

2008-01-14T12:12:00.000-08:00

One day, Honi the Circle Maker was walking on the road and saw a man planting a carob tree. Honi asked the man, "How long will it take for this tree to bear fruit?"

The man replied, "Seventy years."

Honi then asked the man, "And do you think you will live another seventy years and eat the fruit of this tree?"

The man answered, "Perhaps not. However, when I was born into this world, I found many carob trees planted by my father and grandfather. Just as they planted trees for me, I am planting trees for my children and grandchildren so they will be able to eat the fruit of these trees."

This shows that we should save trees so that our children will have trees, you can find commentary at http://www.spiritoftrees.org/folktales/schram/honi_carob_tree.html

2008-01-10T11:27:00.000-08:00

The Torah says that every 7 years we need 2 rest our crop there for we are saving energy human as well as machinary

Kosher

2008-01-10T11:19:00.000-08:00

If it was a life or death situation would a rabbi eat a cheeseburger????!?!?!?

2008-01-10T11:11:00.000-08:00

The Torah isn't concrened

Energy....The torahs version

2008-01-10T11:07:00.000-08:00

The Torah teaches us to preserve energy in many ways. When you cant leave your lights on, on shabbat it helps you use less because the ones you don't want on you have to keep off. As a nation we must help the world become "energy efficient". I think it would be more wise just to be able to turn on and off the lights..... It says that you shouldn't be destructive and wasting energy is destroying it. I think this is a very good point. I dont know were it says it though.

Source: askmoses (one of the rabbis)

Preserve Energy Today, For Tomorrow

2008-01-10T11:02:00.000-08:00

The torah teaches us to preserve energy when the 10 commandments said to keep shabbat. Keeping shabbat can perserve energy in so many ways:

No cars
No stoves/microwaves/ovens
No TVs
No electronics of any kind
And lastly, if you keep shabbat you don't work and that's preserving personal energy!

I think that the torah has alot of things that can still be used today and preserving energy is one of them.

The torah shebaal peh does speak about shabbat and technically shabbat is a day of resting and preserving energy.

It is written in Sefer Moed in the subtcatagory "shabbat".

I have no comment about what it says in the mishnah...

I got this info from learning torah personally and wikkipedia!

Fries with that?

2008-01-08T11:32:00.000-08:00

Wud u rather run in2 a wall 5 times fast or eet fries @ Mcdonolds

& Wut wud a rabbi say 2 do

Aliyah

2008-01-08T11:21:00.000-08:00

If there is a shabbos torah reading going on, but only four of the people are capable of getting Aliyot (i.e. the others are vegetables or can't get to the Bima) can the others get more than one (not in a row)

Not including a Cohen getting two aliyot if there is no Levi.

2008-01-08T11:18:00.000-08:00

i agree with you leah 100% but there are people who dont use energy at all
:)

Conserving Energy

2008-01-07T08:22:00.000-08:00

Where do we see that the Torah is concerned with energy conservation?

Betcha've never heard THIS one before!!!

2007-12-17T11:10:00.000-08:00

There are two men who are both in need of a liver transplant. One is a doctor, the other is an alcoholic. The doctor has no family, but is responsible for the lives of most of the people in the hospital he works at. The alcoholic has a loving family, and has already had a liver transplant before. He also has been on the waiting list for a transplant for a longer time than the doctor.

Y'all know the story. Or at least you should from Mrs. Bornstein's class.

Who do YOU think should get the liver???

Hunter partner gets shot! oh my...

2007-12-07T18:43:00.000-08:00

A guy goes hunting in the wilderness with his shotgun. He has a hunting partner with him to scout for some game. As they are scouting the area, they notice somethign moving in a bush. The guy with the shotgun says that they should wait until it reveals itself and then blow its head off. However, his scouting friend starts yelling, "Shoot it!! Shoot it now!! Go! Oh my gosh, shoot it!!"

Under the intense moment, the guy with the shotgun fires at the bush. He sees the head of a man roll out of the bush and its covered in blood. The guy with the shotgun killed a hiker in the bush.

Who is responsible?

War or no war

2007-12-07T10:30:00.000-08:00

there is a war going on.
one soldier tries to kill another soldier, but then unfortunately realizes that he has shot a civilian that had a bomb stuck onto him.

should he be charged with murder?

...

2007-12-06T11:47:00.000-08:00

DUE TO PEOPLE'S OVERALL STUPIDITY, THIS POST HAS BEEN REMOVED.

MOVING ON...

Drinking and Driving Is A No No!

2007-12-06T11:36:00.000-08:00

What if a car's fuel tank breaks a leak all of a sudden and bursts into flame. The car was parked next to a local bar full of people (and alcohol which is flamable) which later caught fire and caused a good amount of damage. The car was tuned up a week before. Who is responsible? The driver or the Mechanic?

The driver should have noticed there was a leak...
But the mechanic should have checked that in the tune-up last week...

What if?

2007-12-06T11:14:00.001-08:00

One day, a guy named Gary goes to his friend, Larry's house for lunch. Larry has mice problems and just laid out some rat poison. On accident, some rat poison falls into Gary's meal and Gary dies. Larry is charged for manslaughter.

sarah's

2007-12-06T11:13:00.001-08:00

A man is having construction on half of his house. If a brick falls and crushes the other half of the house the builders have to pay. If it falls on the neighbors house then the owner of the house has to pay because he was the one who was having construction.

Lighter fluid + hanukia = FIIRE!!!!

2007-12-06T11:11:00.001-08:00

A person has his hanukia on his window sill. A truck with a load of lighter fluid covered by a layer of hay drives by and catches fire. As the driver is going he doesn't realize he is on fire. when he realizes he is on fire he crashes into a school full of children and explodes. There are no survivors.... Who is responsible???

2007-12-06T11:10:00.000-08:00

A Jewish slave as worked his quota but his master wont let him go free.

Stayin alive

2007-12-06T11:07:00.001-08:00

A homeless person is about to freeze. He makes a small fire to keep himself warm. A car comes by and gasoline is leaking. A fire breaks out and starts a giant forest fire. Whos fault is it?
I think its the cars.

Camel Problem

2007-12-06T11:06:00.000-08:00

Let say there are two store guys:

Store guy1 Store Guy 2

Store guy 1 gives store guy 2 candle to borrow so that he can show there is a hole in between their stores.( The candle belongs to store guy 1) Then a camel comes by and has flax on its back. The flax sets on fire causing the camel to run into to store guy 1's store setting it one fire. WHO HAS TO PAY?

a) store guy 1 b) store guy 2 c) camel owner

Yael's Dog

2007-12-06T11:05:00.000-08:00

Yael's dog ran through mud, then the dog went to the neighbors house, who opened theb dor for the dog, and got mud all over the expensive Persian rug. Is Yael responsible?

"Drive back baby to me fast in your car / I'm here waiting / Crash into me real hard." - Gwen Stefani (aka, our memrah)

2007-12-06T11:04:00.000-08:00

There is an intersection, and one way there's a green light and the other a red one.
A car in the green light lane is going through...
But so is somebody in the red light lane.

They crash.

WHO IS RESPONSIBLE?!?!?!

-Alexandra and Sarah Chesler

Sarah D's

2007-12-06T11:02:00.000-08:00

A guy is walking in the street and he spills some oil that he was carrying and it is now all in the street. A car is then driving by and he skids on the oil. The car had not had good brakes and the driver knows this but didn't do anything about it. The car skids into a house and wrecks it. Whose fault is it.

By Jake And Joey

2007-12-06T11:01:00.000-08:00

If a man sees his child hurting someone physically should he stop his child by force or should he let his child continue to hurt that person.

Adding to Rabbi Marshmallows

2007-12-06T10:46:00.001-08:00

What if your Shabbat candles are in the window and they set the town on fire? Do they too get an exemption.

Eytan

Rabbi Marshmallow has a question!!!

2007-12-06T10:34:00.000-08:00

Why does the Chanukiah get so many exeptions? What if the lights from the Chanukiah destroy an ENTIRE city and make everyone poor and starving? Is the guy with the Chanukiah (that started the fire) still exempt?

Love ya! Leah (a.k.a. Rabbi Marshmallow

Halachic Problem

2007-12-06T10:29:00.000-08:00

I am going to be going to England this summer to play soccer. I will be going with a group of boys who aren't Jewish and therefore don't keep kosher. We will be taking long bus rides from place to place, and on the way stop for food at unkosher restaurants.

Is it halachicly incorrect to eat food that isn't cooked kosher but there is nothing wrong with it if it is the only food I can eat.

The funny pick-up truck

2007-12-04T11:10:00.000-08:00

1st situation:
There was a pick-up truck carryiong wood planks. The planks fell out and ended up all over the road. due to the planks falling out, a car was hit and the person inside died.
Is the pick-up truck's owner guilty or not?

2nd situation:
A car on it's way to orlando crashes into the truck carrying wood planks. The planks fall on the car and the driver dies. After that another car hits the wreckage of the pick-up truck and the first car. The man inside blows up, and dies.
Whos fault is it?

Avi and kind of zane's

2007-12-04T11:09:00.000-08:00

1) A guy is driving in a car. One of his car parts falls off in the middle of the street. Someone else is drving and hits the part and gets into a costly car crash.

- The guy whose car part fell off must pay for the damages because he did not check take care of his car.

- If the guy who hit the paret was drunk or just a bad driver, then he must pay for the damages and the other guy is exempt

Jake and Seths Case

2007-12-04T11:07:00.004-08:00

If a pitcher pitches the ball and the batter hits it into the window and breaks the window and nocks over the chanukia and lights the store on fire is the batter obligated to pay for the damages in the store. The legal law is that the batter has to pay. An alternative to this is if there is no window then the store owner must pay. It is the batters fault when there is a window because he has control 0f the ball. If there is no window then the owner of the store must pay because he is not trying to protect the chanukia. Rabbi Jake says that maybe the batter didn't have control of the ball. If the baseball players are outside of 1000 feet away from the store the Rabbis will be more leniant. If they are within 10 feet of the store the rabbis are stricter.

Gabe and Evan

2007-12-04T11:07:00.003-08:00

If a tree cutting service truck is passing by a steel making factory, and the logs on the back fall out into the steel factory and a spark from making the steel catches onto the logs and starts a fire, then the truck driver is obligated to pay for the damages. If the truck is driving and they are hammering outside and a spark flies onto the truck and ignites the logs, the person hammering has to pay.

hrllo

2007-12-04T11:07:00.001-08:00

hello...this is a test to c if this works...

Shi Shi Ling Long Ti Wan Po

2007-12-04T11:06:00.001-08:00

Betsy was getting ready to go to an Oriental ball. She realized that she didnt have a dress to wear. She borrowed a dress from her friends Shi Shi Ling Long Ti Wan Po. As Betsy puts on the dress, it rips.

Is she obligated to pay for a new dress?

-If the dress was already ripped, she doesn't have to pay for it.

-Maybe she didnt know the dress was ripped.

-Maybe Betsy was to big for the dress, so she ripped it.

With Love,

Alexa and Hallie

qwertyuioasdfgh --- car case

2007-12-04T11:06:00.000-08:00

MICHAEL and Carmelle's case:
1) A person is driving in a car and throws his lit cigarette out the window. The cigarette lands on the bushes in front of the building and they catch on fire and burns down. (lol)

2)He must pay for the damages. It's on private property. If the bushes are not on private property than he doesnt have to pay$.

3)If he threw it and drove off fast and a different person who was standing near the bushes would have to pay 4 everything b/c he was there.

4)The man who threw isnt being seen anymore so no1 can prove he did it

5) Why should he pay if he was teh witness not the criminal??

Group 'ג

2007-12-04T11:05:00.002-08:00

Case: A camel overflowing with flax is going through the marketplace and catches fire with the lamp of a storeowner left around the marketplace, and damages the store next door. The storeowner is obligated to pay for the damages.

Something similar: Dominoes
Memrot:
Poseket: law is whoever sets up the dominoes takes the credit
Alternative: If he had a partner then the credit is split the same as the workload.
Reasoning: The person who set it up made the awesomeness.
Adding: If someone adds to the end and makes it at least twice as good as it was originally then he gets all the credit.
Ukimtah: What if the additions were better in one person's opinion but not in someone elses?

Cases to be Maykel (lenient): If he used other materials to "transfer" the fall or made bridges he gets more credit.

Cases to be Machmir (strict): If he used heavier dominoes so they would fall easier then he gets less credit.

Eytan and Ari A

nadine and maxs windowcutter

2007-12-04T11:05:00.001-08:00

A windowmaker was cutting glass windows when a piece of glass flies and hits someone. rabbi chi says he is responsible for the damage.
but, someone distracted the windowcutter and made him fling the glass at the person. Rabbi Housegreen says the distractor has to pay for the damages. Rabbi Lopalopalopalopalopa says the distractor had tourrettes. Rabbi Elronchickenbofonvinderlander says he should have taken his medicine!!!
comment away fellow classmates!!!

nadine and max love you!

Oil Spill-Julia and Lauren

2007-12-04T11:05:00.000-08:00

1st situation:
There was a truck holding oil. The oil spilled all over the highway. As a result of that, a car slid on the oil and caused a ten car pile up.
In this situation whos fault is this?

2nd situation:
A car on the highway hit the oil truck and caused the oil to spill. After that another car slid on the oil and caused a ten care pile up.
Whos fault is it?

-By:Lauren and Julia

Mai Chanukah- Julie, Sarah Q, and Leah

2007-12-04T11:04:00.000-08:00

CASE: Someone driving and talking on their cellphone. They drive into the car in front of them, which hits the car in front of THEM.

THE LAW: Rabbi Marshmallow says that the cellphone driver is obligated to pay for the damages.

LENIENT OR NOT: The person is talking on the phone because his wife is having problems breathing.

REASON: If he does not call (911) his wife might die.

ATTACK: How do we decide if it was a life-threatening circumstance for his wife?

STRICT (MORE OR LESS):
strict: what if the person he hits ends up dying? (from the accident)
less: It is a life threatening circumstance or she has passed out.

Julie and Sarah Q. and Leah wish you HAPPY CHANUKAH!!!! (today's Leah's birthday!!!)

Chanukah lights in Public Property that Damages...

2007-12-03T11:33:00.000-08:00

Camel overloaded with flax that knocks over a Chanukah candle of a store owner...
What is the law if the store owner placed the Chanukah candles inside?
What is the law if the store owner placed the Chanukah candles outside his store?
What is the reason for either case?